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in firms of the discussions of the fiscal cliff, the white house is focused solely on cuts for top earners. almost no discussion of unemployment insurance and payroll taxes, the farm bill which would include the price of milk and food stamps on a broader level. at what point do these become sticking points in the negotiation? >> reporter: they're going to become sticking points and probably before the end of the year, because remember there are a couple of things going on. if the president gets a deal on rates, republicans are going to be less inclined to go along with some of the other things, like extended unemployment insurance and some sort of extension perhaps in different form of the payroll tax cut. but also to avoid the sequestration, the congress has got to find some way to have cuts in the interim. if they kick the can down the road they have to have month by month cuts. the farm bill, talking $10 billion a month to in effect buy off the sequestration while they negotiate, the farm bill if you take the senate bill, $23 billion in subsidies cut overall, $4 billion as mentioned fro
in firms of the discussions of the fiscal cliff, the white house is focused solely on cuts for top earners. almost no discussion of unemployment insurance and payroll taxes, the farm bill which would include the price of milk and food stamps on a broader level. at what point do these become sticking points in the negotiation? >> reporter: they're going to become sticking points and probably before the end of the year, because remember there are a couple of things going on. if the...
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cliff discussions. only 28% said they would behave like responsible adults. tonight, signs that maybe some adult behavior might be prevail. and a compromise might be reached. joining me now live is senior white house correspondent dana bash, jessica yellin and david gergen. what's the latest? what are you hearing? >> reporter: they are a long way from a deal. but late today speaker boehner and president obama did speak to one another on the phone. now, this is an important development because it's the first time they've talked in a week about the fiscal cliff. i am told, though, that there was no real progress in negotiations. in this sense there was no breakthrough on that central point of tax rates. as you know, president obama insists there is no deal unless the gop agrees to raise rates on the top 2% of earners. the gop says that's a nonstarter. and the two men have not moved from that basic position. now, all of this comes at the same time treasury secretary geithner also said for the first time th
cliff discussions. only 28% said they would behave like responsible adults. tonight, signs that maybe some adult behavior might be prevail. and a compromise might be reached. joining me now live is senior white house correspondent dana bash, jessica yellin and david gergen. what's the latest? what are you hearing? >> reporter: they are a long way from a deal. but late today speaker boehner and president obama did speak to one another on the phone. now, this is an important development...
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maybe they need to show a willingness to go over the so-called fiscal cliff. now, if the president really wants to take the country there, maybe they need to let him go there. here's the bottom line. what are we hearing from the white house? we're hearing the president will not negotiate unless taxes are raised on job creators, and we're hearing that the president now wants to seize control of the debt ceiling from congress. well, that means rather than needing the approval of the house was the senate to raise the nation's spending limit, president barack obama wants to do this all by his lonesome, a blank check. >> if congress in any way suggests that they're going to tie negotiations to debt ceiling votes and take us to the brink of default once again, as part of a budget negotiation which, by the way, we've never done in our history until we did it last year, i will not play that game. > >> sean: in this country historically it's been up to you, the individual and the government, to create a better life for the next generation. that means your kids, that me
maybe they need to show a willingness to go over the so-called fiscal cliff. now, if the president really wants to take the country there, maybe they need to let him go there. here's the bottom line. what are we hearing from the white house? we're hearing the president will not negotiate unless taxes are raised on job creators, and we're hearing that the president now wants to seize control of the debt ceiling from congress. well, that means rather than needing the approval of the house was the...
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gerri: is the writing on gerri: we are dangling over the fiscal cliff. but washington is at a standstill. although the president is refusing to sit downwn with republicans, he did ta to speaker john boehner this afternoon, and the white house is talking to federal agencies, warning them to get ready to go over the cliff. with more on this, congressman tommcclintock of califnia. a member of the budget coittee. if you for joining us today. you know, we heard about this telephone call between speaker boehner and the president. you think anything will come of that? >> the president has been very clear. he is hell-bent to raise taxes massively on those very wealthy folks made making over $250,000. bearer 80% of small businesses, in and exactly the time when we are depending on them to create two thirds of the new jobs in our country desperately needs. gerri: the republicans are in the way of a settlement. i want to hear what he said today. here is the president. >> we can probably solve this in a week. it is not that tough. but we need that conceptual breakth
gerri: is the writing on gerri: we are dangling over the fiscal cliff. but washington is at a standstill. although the president is refusing to sit downwn with republicans, he did ta to speaker john boehner this afternoon, and the white house is talking to federal agencies, warning them to get ready to go over the cliff. with more on this, congressman tommcclintock of califnia. a member of the budget coittee. if you for joining us today. you know, we heard about this telephone call between...
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cliff. that's the package of tax increases for most americans and budget cuts that will hit automatically unless the white house and congress find a gentler way to solve the crisis in the federal budget. here's how treasury secretary tim geithner put it on cnbc. >> is the administration prepared to go over the fiscal cliff? >> absolutely. there's no prospect to an agreement that doesn't involve those rates going up on the top 2% of the wealthiest americans. ren, it's only 2%. >> pelley: by 2% he means individuals making more than $200000 and couples taking in 250,000 or more. republicans say rates shouldn't be increased on anyone. with no agreement, going over the fiscal cliff would be painful. the automatic tax increases break down like this: households making $20,000 to $4,000 would see an increase in $1,200 a year. incomes of $40,000 to $64,000 would see taxes rise $2,000 and in the $64,000 to $108,000 bracket taxes go up $3,500 a year. mr. obama and the republican speaker of the house ta
cliff. that's the package of tax increases for most americans and budget cuts that will hit automatically unless the white house and congress find a gentler way to solve the crisis in the federal budget. here's how treasury secretary tim geithner put it on cnbc. >> is the administration prepared to go over the fiscal cliff? >> absolutely. there's no prospect to an agreement that doesn't involve those rates going up on the top 2% of the wealthiest americans. ren, it's only 2%....
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>> steve: north lawn of the white house, not a fiscal cliff, just a scary slope. >> brian: yes. >> gretchen: let's bring in michelle malkin. she's out in colorado where there is a lot of slippery slopes. usually people are just skiing down those. >> steve: we're falling down this one. >> gretchen: how do you react to what wendell goler said, the phone call between the president and boehner and the president laying down the gauntlet saying, unless you talk debt ceiling and raising taxes, i'm not going to actually come to the table anymore. how come he's not talking about what many americans deem to be the real problem, which is enormous spending? >> yeah. well, that's never been on the table for this president. so that certainly isn't any surprise. and the idea of this power grab, of course, is in keeping with this imperial presidency. it's not just a power grab, it's two-fisted power grab choke hold, give may wrestling move, brian, for what this is. and i'm glad -- >> brian: cross face. >> yeah. whatever. pile driver, i don't know. just something really obnoxious and of course, over the top
>> steve: north lawn of the white house, not a fiscal cliff, just a scary slope. >> brian: yes. >> gretchen: let's bring in michelle malkin. she's out in colorado where there is a lot of slippery slopes. usually people are just skiing down those. >> steve: we're falling down this one. >> gretchen: how do you react to what wendell goler said, the phone call between the president and boehner and the president laying down the gauntlet saying, unless you talk debt...
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the white house is preparing for the worst if negotiations fail to avoid the fiscal cliff. >> one possibility in all of this, simply no agreement. the impact on the government and every single american taxpayer. it's thursday, december 6th. >> announcer: from abc news, this is "world news now." >>> good thursday morning. >> morning. >> i'm paula faris. we did establish morning is spelled m-e-r-n-i-n-g. >> m-e-r-n-i-n-g. nicely done. >> "merning," everybody. >> i'm rob nelson. we'll get to the discouraging situation on the fiscal cliff in just a moment. we do have each a verbable this morning. >> not yet. >> going to wait for it. very high tech. >> so high tech. working on this prop all day. all morning. >> weeks of planning. >>> we also have a major development in the case of software mogul john mcafee arrested last night. this morning police are taking more action after he tried to seek asylum in guatemala. a strange story gets even stranger. again he is now under arrest. >> bizarre to the nth degree there. >> yeah. >>> also this morning -- weeding through all the details on washington state
the white house is preparing for the worst if negotiations fail to avoid the fiscal cliff. >> one possibility in all of this, simply no agreement. the impact on the government and every single american taxpayer. it's thursday, december 6th. >> announcer: from abc news, this is "world news now." >>> good thursday morning. >> morning. >> i'm paula faris. we did establish morning is spelled m-e-r-n-i-n-g. >> m-e-r-n-i-n-g. nicely done. >>...
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is ready to go over the fiscal cliff. where do negotiations go from there? keep it right here on "morning joe." >>> good morning. it's 8:00 on the east coast 5:00 a.m. on the west coast. time to wake up, everybody. welcome back to "morning joe." take a live look at new york city. back with us onset we have harold ford. >> he is a professor. >> yes, he is. >> hard to believe. >> and a former member of congress. >> yes. >> steve rattner. >> he is a financier. >> yes he is. >> also hard to believe. >> and mark halperin in washington. >> he is a secret agent. won't tell us who he is meeting with. >> so cagey. >> boy, there are some stories here. unbelievable. you're talking about libya and i tell you what. you've got assad about to cross that red line and he's going to see russia leaving quick. i think he'll see even troops going in there if he starts using chemical weapons against his own people. morsi in trouble, egypt. the biggest revolt since mubarak was pushed out of power. the "new york times" also has another fascinati
is ready to go over the fiscal cliff. where do negotiations go from there? keep it right here on "morning joe." >>> good morning. it's 8:00 on the east coast 5:00 a.m. on the west coast. time to wake up, everybody. welcome back to "morning joe." take a live look at new york city. back with us onset we have harold ford. >> he is a professor. >> yes, he is. >> hard to believe. >> and a former member of congress. >> yes. >> steve...